Right, because you know all those monogamous people last forever! 

Right, right!  The only divorce is definitely the homosexuals and the non-monogamous…oh, and the non-Christians… 

True… 

Christian monogamous marriages always always sound; it never ever goes awry…but you know, it’s an easy scapegoat and people like to hang their hats on things and it's kind of funny what people hang their hats on.  I’m always amused. I’m like really, you just think it’s that simple?  That’s it? That’s all you have?  But like you said, you got to look at the flip, if I’m divorced because I’m non-monogamous then all the monogamous people would have to be married to make that true and saying that all monogamous stay married and never get divorced is just ridiculous.  But people are really ready to jump on the other thing the minute you say ‘I’m non-monogamous and it caused my divorce.’ People are like, ‘Yeah, that is definitely it!’ It’s like, really? Did you not consider the other side to that argument and the answer of course is no, no body ever considers the other side of that argument. I mean the stigma surrounding sex is so great that it voids reason.  Having sex makes you bad; not having sex makes you good, and people think it’s as simple as that.  Things surrounding sex are seedy, are bad, are damaging, they’re immoral, and not having sex makes you good, pure…really?  It’s not related, it's just not.  I know plenty of good people who have a lot of sex and I know plenty of bad people who have no sex but that’s our culture and I don’t know why but it is. 

I think it might have something to do with the religious aspect of it…now you grew up Catholic, do you think that had any affect on you in anyway like, they say Catholics are repressed and they feel guilty. Do you think you broke out?  Or maybe it didn’t have any affect on you?  Or maybe you do feel guilty about it? 

Sure, I did feel guilty about having a lot of sex after awhile, I don’t think it had anything to do with being Catholic, the advantage that I have is that my father was a truck driver so I think that cancelled out all the guilt.  You know sex was a pretty open topic in my house, we never avoided the subject a lot of my friends talk about when did your parents give you the talk? When did you learn about the birds and the bees? And I have no recollection, it was just always there.  It was always a penis; there was none of this sort of ridiculousness.  I just always understood sex.  I always knew where babies came from; I had a really good understanding of that from a very young age.  So you know sex wasn’t taboo.  Now that being said there was still a pretty strong wait until you’re married or at least with somebody that you love.  And in fairness my family was like that, my mother got pregnant with me when she was 18 and still in high school by her high school boyfriend so it was never wait until you’re married it was always wait until you’re in love. So you know, obviously my mother edited to suit, or reframe, what she considered was her misdeed and I suppose accidently getting pregnant is a misdeed but having sex with your high school boyfriend certainly isn’t, but you get that. 

To tie back, I did feel guilty for having sex but I don’t think it had anything to do with being raised Catholic and like I said, the whole Catholic thing, we didn’t necessarily buy it in my household probably because my mom got pregnant with me so therefore she clearly didn’t believe it (and we have ample evidence to support it in me).  Here I was.  And sex was also very open but again, it was always, always, always with somebody that you love, it was always part of a relationship, you know, it was for love, there was no concept of just fucking in my household. It was always for love, or a physical expression of love, or intimacy, and it's not to say that’s a bad thing but the other thing isn’t a bad thing either.  I just think we’re a very very repressed culture that two people fucking is what we’re trying to prevent.  ‘This is what’s wrong with the world, people are fucking.’  What about all of these other social problems that we have?  We live in a day and age where people can’t get medicine when they’re sick and the number one topic is who people are having sex with.  I just think that’s amazing…dying in the street takes a back seat to fucking in your bedroom and I think that’s curious. 

Very curious.